Why Flipping Houses is Hard.

Unfortunately for us, so many people today rely on television as their guiding light, their beacon of truth – so to speak.  If it looks easy on TV, well then it must be easy.  Relative to real estate investing, this couldn’t be any more so with regard to a technique we refer to as Flipping.  I couldn’t begin to name all of the shows that have cashed-in on the flipping craze.  And they all depict flipping as glamorous and easy.

The essence of flipping, the technique otherwise known as Fix and Flip, is to purchase a property, usually a single family residence, and then do something to it in a way of physical improvements in order to sell it for a profit.  Well, let me tell you something – flipping is a lot of things, but easy it is not.  In fact, whenever asked I tell people that flipping should be left to the pros.  To do it correctly and consistently profitably requires deep funding, teams of people, and well-developed businesses systems with built-in redundancy.

The big issue with flipping, and what makes flipping so incredibly challenging, is that there is very little room for mistakes.  In the world of investing, the only two elements which off-set risk are time and availability of multiple exit strategies.  In flipping, however, the only exit strategy is to sell the house – the entire model is based on this.  If you can’t sell, you don’t make money.  Not only that, but you have to manage this on a time-table otherwise the carrying costs become too burdensome.  This is dangerous…

Let us consider just one potential problem area from the long list of things that could go wrong.  This is where a lot of beginners make a mistake – determining how much to pay for the house in the first place.

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The way flipping should work is that we first must establish the After Repair Value (ARV), which is the price for which our flip will sell quickly once we are finished doing whatever improvements we have planned.  After establishing the ARV, we can then subtract from it all of the costs associated with performing our flip which include among them things like repair costs, financing charges, holding costs, and real estate commissions, to arrive at the price that we can afford to pay for our flip.

This entire process is fraught with potential problems, the first of which is the subject of this article and it is the issue of establishing the ARV – price for which our flip will sell after we are finished perfuming whatever repairs we have planned.  If we don’t get this right, all the rest of our calculus will be wrong as well since the ARV is the top-line number from which everything else gets subtracted.  Should we estimate it too high, we will likely over-pay for our flip, which will potentially lead to not being able to sell the completed product for enough to cover our costs.  While if our estimate is too aggressively, we will find it difficult to negotiate deals consistently.

The process of estimating the ARV is like walking a tight-rope.  There are only three ways to go about, and only one way is the right way.  One way to do this is to ask your real estate sales agent.  Another is to conduct market research.  And finally, you could always just guess.

You would be absolutely amazed at how many flippers get this wrong.  This is flipping 101, and yet a lot of what’s going on out there sure looks like guessing to me.  At best, people just ask their sales agent, the same one that is selling them this flip, to tell them what this flip will sell for when complete.  This is better than guessing, but if you do this, you are asking your sales agent to advise you on an investment.  Nothing against agents, I am one of them, but most agents wouldn’t know a good investment if it hit them in the head.

Here’s what you should do: ask your agent for a printout of all of the properties that are similar to the one you are considering, which have sold in the location over the three months prior.  Armed with this data, you will need to conduct a Comparative Market Analysis (CMA) and arrive at what you believe to be the likely ARV.  If you don’t know how to do this, please consider purchasing the Cash Flow Freedom University in which I walk you through this process.

There are no shortcuts in real estate investing, and especially not in flipping.  Unless you are willing to educate yourself and put in the time to do the proper research and develop proper systems, stay away from flipping!

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16 Comments

  • Seth Williams @ REtipster.com Reply

    Hey Ben – great post, I couldn’t agree more. I used to think that flipping was the way to go, until I realized how much risk I would have to deal with. It didn’t take me long to understand that cash flow was WAY more important then huge (and temporary) payouts.

    Great video on your home page as well – you’ve got a great story!

    • Ben Reply

      Thank you Seth – great minds think alike…:)

  • Lou Reply

    Ben Great article. I agree that flipping is very hard and that it will become just another JOB but what is your take or opinion on flipping to build up working capital? Than using the working capital to purchase SFHs or Multiplexs?

    • Ben Reply

      Thank you for reading Lou,

      Flipping to build up working capital can work, but it is not necessary – let me explain.

      Not every market is conducive to flipping in my opinion. For as much work as it is, and as much risk as it requires, flipping should pay handsomely – and it does in a few markets. However, where I am in Lima, OH, for example, the spreads are just not wide enough, specifically in the current market, to justify the strategy.

      Furthermore, the presumption of need for substantial “working capital” is not necessarily correct. While large down-payments are required for financing property traditionally, this does not have to be the case. One of the main attractions of creative finance is that we can bypass the need for large down-payments, which effectively negates the argument and need for flipping.

      Thoughts Lou?

      • Lou Reply

        It would appear that I need to rethink my strategy about this. For I don’t really want another JOB. I will need to open my mind to starting thinking on how to do creative finances.

        • Ben Reply

          All I am saying Lou is that flipping is really tricky. If you are going to do it, you will need to become a pro. I am not sure if an $8,000 after-tax profit is worth it…

          • Lou

            No, I understand that flipping is very tricky even if others say otherwise. I’m also aware that I would need to become a pro at flipping. The $8,000 after-tax profit may not be worth it after all of the hard work and headache that goes with flipping.

          • Ben

            Lou,

            I just posted an article to my blog – 250% Return on Investment – Oh yeah. Please take a look please, I wonder of this will give you a few ideas…

  • Ned Carey Reply

    “they all depict flipping as glamorous and easy.”

    Ben, Yes and also being a “Full Time” real estate investor. It’s as if people think, “Gee if I did real estate full time I wouldn’t have to work” But Flipping or wholesaling is work.

    • Ben Reply

      Ned,

      Not only is it work, but in my opinion flipping and wholesaling are some of the most difficult work there is in all of real estate investing…

      Thank you for reading and commenting!

  • Dave Doyle Reply

    Hello Ben
    I just played back your Podcast on BP twice,,,,great presentation

    In reading your fascinating blogs ,,,could you please expand and explain the following statement as I really want to avoid wasted motion and know this financing thing cold,,,,

    “One of the main attractions of creative finance is that we can bypass the need for large down-payments, which effectively negates the argument and need for flipping.”

    Please expand on this a little bit,,

    Best Regards
    Dave Doyle
    Los Angeles

    • Ben Reply

      Thank you for your complement and comment Dave!

      In reference to the above statement – real estate is a cash-intensive sport. I’ve heard many people state that in order to answer this need for capital they choose to flip houses in order to build-up cash. All along, however, their intention is to use that newly acquired capital to acquire income-producing real estate.

      On the surface this seems like a reasonable proposition. However, as you know flipping works well in some markets, but not others. Therefore, if this is our only plan for coming up with investment capital with which to bring down income-producing assets, which is what we really want because we are looking for passive cash flow. then we may have a problem.

      The essence of creative finance is that we can alleviate the need for down-payments. Therefore, if the intended use for flipping was to create investment capital, then creative finance can eliminate the need for flipping – which is what I’ve done. Essentially, I realized that while I do need money, it does not have to be mine, and by focusing on ways to finance property 100% I’ve eliminated the need to raise the capital for down-payments and eliminated the need to flip.

      Now, flipping can obviously be a stand-alone strategy, which in some markets works well – although it is too much work for my taste. However, the statement you are enquiring about was in reference to utilizing flipping as a means to raise investment capital for long-term holds.

      I hope I’ve answered your question. Feel free to follow up.

      Thanks so much for reaching out Dave!

      Thank you so much Dave!

  • Sharon Tzib Reply

    I love the video that you did recently that lined up being a Realtor, being a Flipper, and being a Cash Flow Investor, and showing the pros and cons of each. Was really telling why cash flow is the way to go.

    • Ben Reply

      Thanks Sharon! We are birds of a feather 🙂

  • Adam Reply

    Hey Ben,

    I have a alternative view I thought worth sharing. I’m a buy and hold guy. Like you I want cash flow. To do this I’ve put many hours working ON my business doing things like writing a business plan, learning my surrounding markets, developing metrics to judge those markets, developing relationships, spending tons of time on BP. But I really like working on houses. There’s just something about looking at a distressed property and having the vision to see what it was (old construction) and what it could be. So I flip houses from time to time as a way to work IN my business. I find it keeps me connected to the type of work I really enjoy. The result is I’m a happier and smarter investor when I’m not swinging a hammer. I recognize this isn’t for everyone but for those who don’t know which niche they want to pursue, I say why not both.

    • Ben Reply

      Adam – I do not disagree. If you enjoy it, by all means do it. I do not enjoy the stress of flipping. I would do it for 100k, but for 12k – I’ll pass 🙂

      Thanks so much for your comment!

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